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Post by Ken Nagele on Aug 14, 2005 13:28:33 GMT -8
Greetings, For the benefit of those who are new to the works of Dr. Ernest L. Martin, let me preface this post by saying that Dr. Martin never claimed to be a prophet, had no inside track on when Christ would return and did not believe in setting dates. That being said, it was most obvious to Dr. Martin that there is a tremendous amount of chronology in the Bible - and a tremendous amount of unfulfilled prophecies. Historically, when Dr. Martin would lecture on these subjects, he would always conclude with the same possible date of when things might conceivably culminate - 2028. It didn't matter at what point in chronology, history or prophecy he started his calculations - or what method he was using. He always arrived at 2028. Towards the end of his life, Dr. Martin came to a new understanding on these matters. One of his very last papers, entitled The "Great Generation"
and Modern Prophecy at www.askelm.com/prophecy/p021201.htm, brings a whole new understanding of historical and prophetic events to light. Amazingly, many still haven't read this article - or cannot (or will not) grasp it's importance. The bottom line to it is that our previous methodology of calculations has been superseded by a new level of understanding of how God does things. And He does them in triplicate. Utilizing this new understanding in chronological calculations, we come to a new date (again, not that the date is set in stone and also bearing in mind that it is subject to change as the Bible itself indicates) of 2070. While it can be argued that we are perhaps in the very beginning of the end-time era, the real indicators of any possible countdown will be the fulfillment of specific prophecies, as outlined in the articles Surprising Events for the Near Future at askelm.com/prophecy/p920301.htm and Some Present Indicators in Prophecy at askelm.com/news/n030521.htm. Many other similar articles can be found on a search of the ASK site at ernestlmartin.com/#googleIt would appear that not only will we never live to see the second coming, neither will most of our children. This, of course, should not in any way change our outlook on life and the way we conduct ourselves in our daily lives. Nor will it make any difference in our ultimate reward. But we do have a responsibility to correctly educate those we come in contact with and the world in general on what the truth of the matter really is. I personally believe that God inspired Dr. Martin to understand this important matter as the last major understanding of his life. Historically, Dr. Martin always moved from error to truth, never from truth to error. Ken Nagele |
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Post by Charlotte S on Aug 29, 2005 6:08:42 GMT -8
I have read almost all of Dr. Martin's writings from the time he was involved in "The Foundation of Biblical Research". I agree with pretty much everything he has written. This is one subject I am hoping that he is wrong about. Like you said though, "Dr. Martin always moved from error to truth, instead of the other way around".
If I am not mistaken,...and I am quoting from memory... the reason Dr. Martin always believed the date of the end would be somewhere around 2028, was because he had calculated that this was the end of the 6000 years that God would allow the earth to continue, till the millennium? If this is true, how does one understand about the 6000 years if things continue till 2070 and how does it apply to things overall? In this same article of "The Great Generation" Dr. Martin stated that, ...not exact words.....please correct me if I am wrong... "if certain things happened by 2006 then the year 2028 could be a possibility, but if these things didn't happen, then we would need to look elsewhere for the answer.
Now that Israel has moved out of the Gaza Strip and it looks like there may be a Palestine State pretty soon, maybe things will be happening that will bring about the end sooner than 2070.
It seems that even this year there has been an increase in events that could lead up to the prophecies that are suppose to happen.
Of course, no one knows the day nor hour when Christ will return, but Jesus said we could know when it was at the door, to me that is pretty close reasoning. I guess it will have to be at the door before we can know what will transpire.
What do you think Ken, and all?
Charlotte
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Post by Ken Nagele on Aug 31, 2005 8:02:45 GMT -8
Charlotte, Thank you for your reply. I have heard Dr. Martin speak on chronology several times and it was always a very complicated subject, usually taking an hour or more to explain, but always ending up with the date of 2028. While 6000 years was always a factor of sorts, I find it interesting that Dr. Martin also talked about a 70 year period of training after the Second Coming. 6000 + 70 = 6070, the year 2070? I suppose it could be argued that we are in a pivotal period right now regarding prophetic indicators. While the creation of a Palestinian State may be on the horizon, that would seem to be the only thing that looks promising. The rebuilding of the Temple and the "King of Persia (Iran)" helping with that rebuilding is not even in sight. And I see no other prophetic indicators on the horizon. The world seems to be going through a restructuring phase that is being instigated by our hidden rulers, the Illuminati ernestlmartin.com/#illuminati (which Dr. Martin describes but does not name in his article at www.askelm.com/prophecy/p900601.htm). No one knows where this present course of events is going to go, though it certainly appears to be rather ominous. Rumors are rife about an invasion of Iran, no doubt preceded by another "9/11" type of attack on the U.S. (which will be conveniently blamed on Iran as an excuse for an invasion of that country). My own feeling is that since things are moving at a snails pace (though they could always be accelerated), Dr. Martin's last prediction of 2070 is probably true. Thanks for your input! Ken Nagele |
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Post by Charlotte S on Sept 1, 2005 14:19:52 GMT -8
Hi Ken,
I was reading the Commentary "The Temple is the Key to Peace" on the ASK website. I read the edition of the "Journal Strategic" assessment, it is in agreement with Dr. Martin about the temple site being the issue that would solve the peace situation in that region.
There should be some way to get the "Temple" book that Dr. Martin wrote in the hands of someone over there in that region who would take notice. I know it is just a matter of getting the book into the right hands. Maybe we could send a book to a few people who are in office that make decisions about land and so forth.
Isn't there someway we could pool our money and raise enough to buy a few of these books and mail them to different individuals over there?
I wonder if David Sielaff has tried to talk to any heads of state or anything to that effect?
Have you thought about this in any way? We should be able to put our heads together and come up with something.
What about Samuel, Dr. Martin's son? He lives over there, maybe he could talk to someone, or pass a few books along?
Just some thoughts I was chewing on.
Charlotte
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Post by Ken Nagele on Sept 2, 2005 16:30:29 GMT -8
Charlotte,
You are right about the Temple Mount issue bringing peace. In fact, there are many web sites that talk about this if you type in "temple mount peace" in Google .
Unfortunately, the issue seems to be that neither side really wants peace. There is big money in keeping the present turmoil going. Not to mention the high level politics of the various families or factions of the Illuminati that control the various governments involved. Ultimately, it is all controlled at an angelic level too.
Your idea to put books in the hands of the right people is a good one. Except it's already been done, for the most part. The real problem is the whole Temple Mount issue is a hot potato - and no one wants to touch it. The subject will have to be somehow forced in order to get both sides to deal with it.
David has done all he can to approach the right people in government. We are not sure where Samuel stands on this issue, as he historically didn't even have knowledge of the book, from what I have been told.
So, once again, the whole issue is in God's hands. When He is ready for the issue to become a news item, we will no doubt receive much publicity.
The question might better be - are we ready for that international attention? Do we really have our act together? Are we setting a good example for the world when and if we start being examined under the news media's watchful eye? This is a question that we should be asking ourselves - both individually and collectively.
I appreciate your enthusiasm. We could certainly use more of that within the ekklesia of ASK!
Ken Nagele
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Post by Charlotte S on Sept 3, 2005 5:57:01 GMT -8
Charlotte, So, once again, the whole issue is in God's hands. When He is ready for the issue to become a news item, we will no doubt receive much publicity. You are absolutely right about things being in God's hands. There seems to be an anticipation within me that wants to see more of us doing something more I guess, and I wonder if it isn't God that is putting that desire within me. I wonder if anyone else feels the same way? You know, I never gave a thought about us being ready for the spotlight when the Temple news is understood. You are right though, it would bring the spotlight on us, I guess we need to get busy. Maybe we are not ready for this and that is why God hasn't allowed things to materilize. You think? Thanks for your responses Ken. Charlotte |
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Post by tddevans on Oct 4, 2006 10:03:55 GMT -8
Hi all here is something I found interesting from a good friend of Doc Martins.
2018 — Again, and Again, and Again?
October 2nd, 2006
Checking the Internet.
In the last couple of days, on a whim, I googled the phrase “2018 in prophecy”. Wow! What a bunch of posts all over the Internet about this year. Why not check it yourself? You might be surprised.
Yet, with all the hoopla about that year, I did not find one site that knew what it meant for sure, or why that year.
All basically guesses. One said it was because a generation in the Bible is 70 years, and 70 years from 1948, the founding of modern Israel, gives us 2018. Right number of years, 70, but an absolutely wrong Biblical reason.
Others said it might be the end of the world, or, the return of the Messiah, or ? ? ? Based on what I was able to find, there is only ONE site on the whole planet that can tell you all about this year, and why. And, you are here right now, since you are reading this.
So, here is my challenge to you:
Do your own google search of the phrase above, or any other you wish with the year 2018. Then, read as many, or skim as many as you think a valuable test for you, THEN return here and compare what the Petry Report to the Nations says. After this comparison, I think you will find two things. This report at least has the complete and reasonable explanations for this year, AND in a very short time, you will find others taking up as their own what we explain here. Of course, when that begins to happen, most will never give us any credit for having presented the full information FIRST to the whole world via the Internet. Buy, YOU will know where it came from first, for YOU will have read it yourself first, and know when you read it, and where you read it.
Finally, if you find that what I say here makes more sense than all the others, then it becomes YOUR OBLIGATION, based on Scriptural precedence, to encourage others to come here for the information you cannot find anywhere else. At least for now, before everyone starts copying it and claiming it for their own discoveries.
Don’t believe me yet, do you? Well, keep returning and I’ll guarantee you this,
“It’s more enjoyable and encouraging to KNOW what is coming before everyone else, and to watch it happen with confidence, versus living in fear and confusion about the future.”
Next posts I’ll begin explaining more about what all this is about concerning 2018. And, maybe try to get a podcast available for you.
“I’ll see YOU, SOON!”
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2018, A “Benchmark” Year?
September 29th, 2006
Can Specific Years Be Pinpointed in Prophecy?
That’s a good question. Until now it was impossible to do such a thing. However, we now have the basic chronology for our days, but the understanding of the chronology of our days is still being refined. Thus, when an event does happen that is expected, it helps us refine how things fit. For example, if we expect something to happen, or to begin to happen in 2018 we REFINE our understanding by adding the results into the “program” or “plan”.
What I mean is this. Let’s suppose we expect an event to occur in 2018. Now, IF it occurs exactly within that year, then the month and day will help us refine the chronology even better, clear to the month, and sometimes the day. However, IF the event occurs before or after 2018, then that information is added to or subtracted from the “program”, and everything else gets adjusted. Finally, after enough benchmark events, we can become extremely accurate. That is, assuming we have the correct “program” to work with and on, in the first place.
With that in mind, let’s look at what appears to be in the works for 2018 right now.
2018 — and Beyond.
2018, is 70 years from the founding of the modern nation of Israel. By the way, as a general understanding, 50 years equates to a Jubilee year, or the year of “freedom”, “liberty” or “release”. A specific date, 50 years after the founding of Israel had extreme importance for our day, and for Israel and the world. But, that is for another post sometime later.
The “headline” book of Prophecy tells us that YHWH is to return to Jerusalem after 70 years of indignation. And, that at that time His House is to be built in Jerusalem. The last time YHWH resided in Jerusalem through the Shekinah was prior to 70 A.D. It appears the “headline” book is telling us that He will return vis His Shekinah in 2018. And, where will He reside? Of course, in His House or The Temple in Jerusalem, to be reconstructed on the Mount of Olives, overlooking the old Temple Mount. Remember, the prophecies say it will be built in the TOP of the mountains around Jerusalem, and the only one that is the TOP, or highest, is the Mt. of Olives.
With the above in mind, here is what is expected for the benchmark year, 2018.
1. It will be at the middle of the 14 year “expansion” cycle which begins in April, 2011.
2. It involves the RETURN of YHWH to Jerusalem in an active, but spiritual way.
3. The movement toward rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem will be very strong.
4. Sometime during the year a “go ahead” for the Temple, in some form should be approved, if the Temple itself is not actually begun.
5. The “indignation”, or fighting and destruction between Israel and nations around her will stop.
6. Israel will begin to accept her Messiah for the first time en masse.
7. Though it may start with them, Israel will learn that sacrifices are not needed, and will stop their use, if begun at all. The Temple will be used in a different way this time.
Lots more is scheduled to happen before, during and after 2018. But, for now, we will wait for the next post to show why the sacrifices will not be used in Israel, and why she will accept her Messiah around that “benchmark” year.
What an exciting time we have before us. And, it will just thrill you, once you learn how and when it is all to happen. That is, if you are one of the WISE, mentioned in the prophecies.
Some more:
I was just reading a post on another list about prophecy.
The prophecy ideas on that particular list are based on material, it seems, from the wwcg
before it began to fall apart.
I'd like to post a portion of that post here, and let you read it. It shows, in essence, that those
following this route do not have a clue to what is going on, and are just republishing old and
failed ideas about prophecy. Having said that, does not mean that the wwcg, particularly
when it was the rcg, did not have much Biblical understanding. They just did not correctly
understand prophecy, the books of prophecy, and especially do not understand Daniel,
Revelation, and the other prophets today. Once the former wwcg folks begin to realize this,
they will find, that with very little effort, they can begin to understand prophecy correctly, as it
was meant to be. And, the final result of that will be that their faith will grow stronger by the
day. And, I mean STRONGER, beyond anything they can imagine at the present moment
with all the confusion going on.
So, here is the quote I'd like you to read, and anyone else who reads our "public" posts. It is
time for the rcg/wwcg folks to wake up and get going in the right direction with the same
fervent inspiration they once had in the 1950's and 1960's. Here's the quote:
"The robbers are the globalist schemers behind the New
World Order, or at least it appears to fit that way,
and it is significant that it says "their vision shall
fail," which is exactly the conclusion I have reached:
THE NEW WORLD ORDER CONSPIRACY IS DUE TO COME CRASHING
DOWN IN FLAMES AROUND US, and the damage it will do to
us individually and as a nation will depend to what
extent we wake up, both individually and nationally.
If we wake up, then there is a chance that we can
repent of our ways, change direction, return to God,
and avoid much of the penalties for the HORRENDOUS
SINS of our national leaders and the elites behind
them.
If we do not repent we will come crashing down in
flames with them, it's just that simple.
But Mr. ---- also mentioned that it might be a good
idea to pretend that the historical fulfillments in
this section are only TYPES of other events that will
happen in the end time. That is the one insight in
his message that I found most interesting, and I plan
to pursue that idea in this study.
Once again, I seem to be reaching the conclusion that
we will either plunge into the Great Tribulation SOON,
or, on the other hand, it could be many years off
still, and it seems like it could go either way."
I hate to be blunt, but the above is truly total nonsense. The Bible does not speak of THE
NEW WORLD ORDER that is to come crashing down around us.
Then, the IF we wake up there is a change we can repent... is pure bable speak.
Now notice the certainty??? in the "once again, I SEEM to be reaching..." . Now, that is
reassuring isn't it? I wouldn't stake my spiritual life on that, would you. Or, "we will EITHER
plunce into the Great Tribulation SOON, OR, ON THE OTHER HAND, it COULD BE many
years off...". Man, that is certain isn't it?
Can you trust such "confident" prophetic interpretation? I can't and don't. On the other hand, I
can tell you this with absolute certainty:
The Great Tribulation is two decades away. Not one, not four decades, nor maybe tomorrow,
or next month, or next year. It WILL NOT occur for two decades.
On this list, and our websites and blogs, you will find absolute and accurate descriptions of
WHAT is going to happen, WHERE it is going to happen, to WHOM it is going to happen,
and WHEN it is going to happen. Others can guess at the what, where, to whom, but they
cannot tell you WHEN. I can, and have, and will. There is not way to get around it. The Father
has a plan that is so plain in Scripture that it is uncanny, ONCE a person knows what to look
for.
RCGers, WWCGers, etc. should join this list, along with many others interested in the real
prophetic understanding of the Scriptures, and they had better do it NOW, for there is soon
coming a time when it won't be available.
Right now we are into a seven year cycle by almost three years. When we come out of it at
the end, 2011/2, we will begin another MAJOR 14 year cycle to be followed by the seven last
years of Revelation.
Specific things are to occur in each of these time periods, and I plan to explain what they are
on the blog, the websites, and some on this list.
YOU need this information, no matter who you are. However, the catch is this: you don't have
to join any organization, or leave the one you are in to get it. What you have to do is show
that you are CONVERTED, want the truth, and will ACT upon it and share it as you prove it.
What could be more simple.
If you are not CONVERTED you won't understand it anyway, for as Daniel wrote, it is ONLY
for the WISE, and I can tell who the wise are when I meet them, can you?
You need the posts from this list, and there is only one way to get them in a timely fashion,
and that is to join this list, not an organization, just a discussion list. Plus, you need to check
the websites and the blogs, and foremost above everything, STUDY YOUR BIBLES, or get
out of the field. If you can't and won't study that book, then you are useless, and worthless,
when it comes to doing the Father's will and understanding His Way, and His prophecies.
Get with it, grow up, and get going folks. The time for games and excuses is over. It's over.
The prophecies are now occurring, will not stop, and there is now no way to change any of
the prophecies to happen to the world.
Don't be stupid. Don't close your minds. And, stop shutting down the Father's Spirit that is
working with you.
Bob
And more:
Sept, 1998 - April, 1999 = No book
April, 1999-April, 2000 = Mt
April, 2000 - April, 2001 = Mk
April, 2001 - April, 2002 = Lk
April, 2002 - April, 2003 = Jn
April, 2003 - April 2004 = Acts
End of first 5 1/2 year cycle
April, 2004 - April, 2005 = Jas
April, 2005 - April, 2006 = I Peter
April, 2006 - April, 2007 = II Peter
etc.
You are exactly right. Thanks for picking up on this.
When I wrote that I was thinking 2006, and not from April, 2006.
Again, thanks. This is one major reason why publishers have proofreaders.
Bob
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Post by Ken Nagele on Oct 4, 2006 17:19:45 GMT -8
Hello Tdevans, Thank you for all of this information. Speaking just for myself, I have seen material of this nature many times before and it always sounds terribly intriguing. However, I would put my money of Dr. Martin's last dissertation on this subject: www.askelm.com/prophecy/p021201.htm While Dr. Martin was not setting dates, did not claim to be a prophet and recognized that the end-times could be shortened or lengthened for any number of reasons, the date he came up with was 2070. If you have any website links for this material, we would appreciate knowing about them. Thank you for sharing. Ken |
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Post by tddevans on Oct 6, 2006 18:52:00 GMT -8
Hi Ken, I now realize this may have been blunt, but it was not my intention. I am just in search of these things and and many more then share with some groups from time to time to see what others might know or share. I am reading the link you have posted above actually printed it. I think I may have read/skimmed it months ago. Ive read LOTS of Docs writings, and believe possibly the buton was passed from HWA to Doc Martin and now to  Still looking. The guy who wrote this, I believe you know Robert Petry from code64.com. These particular posts are from THEfaith@yahoogroups.com He is one of Docs collegues and have shared just these things together according to what Ive seen Robert write about Doc. and they saw eye to eye on MOST everything. Todd |
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Post by Ken Nagele on Oct 7, 2006 13:19:24 GMT -8
Hello Todd, Thanks for responding. I understand your enthusiasm for prophecy, though I still think it's really a long way off. I am very familiar with Mr. Petry, though it's been a while since I have heard anything about him. The website url you linked doesn't seem to go to his site, though I was able to find his correct site (which appears to be under reconstruction). His correct address is: code6-4.com/prim/I personally don't believe there is anyone at this time who qualifies as a "prophet" - or even as a "teacher" and who has a track record equal to Dr. Martin's. I would expect that someone who has been passed a torch (if there really is such a thing) and is inspired by God, would have a substantial following, a substantial website and a substantial track record at this point in time. I don't see that anywhere. I would be most interested in reading about Mr. Petry's 9/11 predictions, however, to see if they coincide with the documentable facts that now flood the Internet: ernestlmartin.com/index7.htm#9/11Let us know if you find any of this information. Thanks again! Ken |
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, both biblical and non-biblical. We are glad that you find Dr. Martin's material of interest.